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Traveller-digest           Saturday, 6 July 1996       Volume 1996 : Number 216

(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.
All rights reserved.

The following topics are covered in this digest:

         1. Re: Wave Motion WHAT?
         2. Re: Coast Guard
         3. Re: Disposable PCs
         4. Re: Department of Redundancy, Dept.
         5. Re: ID4
         6. Re: Miscellaneous thoughts
         7. Re: Uncle Jesse(apology and re direction)
         8. Java Hull Calculator for SSDS
         9. FAQ Additions
        10. Re: Deckplans

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From: Charles Pratt <tminus@u.washington.edu>
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:41:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Wave Motion WHAT?

On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Wes Payne wrote:

> Thus spake Charles Pratt <tminus@u.washington.edu>:
>
> > On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Leonard Erickson wrote:
>
> > > "We're under attack by *what*?!?"
> > >
> > > "It looks like the Yamato, sir"
> > >
> > > "But we're in outer space!"
> >
> > "Fire the Wave-motion gun!"  Which has got to be, what, a huge N-PAW
> > spinal mount?
>
> Actually, the Wave Motion gun used tachyons, which...
>
> *BONG!*  Start again!

Yeah, well, I just read a science update that says the Big Domes at MIT
are trying to make a laser out of excitons, you know the space that is
left when an electon moves.

- -----

        "Life is a disease of matter." --- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
        Charles Pratt tminus@u.washington.edu -- when in doubt, sail.
   "And on the eighth day, the Army Corps of Engineers changed everything."


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From: Charles Pratt <tminus@u.washington.edu>
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:47:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Coast Guard

On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Les Howie wrote:

> Charles Pratt wrote
>
> >The Coast Guard falls under the direct command of the Department of
> >Transportation (weird, huh)
>
> Not really.  Coast Guard is also responsible for Navigational Aids --
> clearly a concern of DOT.  Canada Coast Guard was transferred from DOT to
> Fisheries and Oceans this year (I shall not speculate on why).
>
> Question: Are there orbital navaids in traveller? Who maintains them --
> planetary authorities (Orbit Guard?), Starport Authorities?.  Also, in
> Canada (IIRC) Coast Guard coordinates search and rescue for Canada's SAR
> areas, even if other resourses (Navy, Merchant Ships, etc.) do the actual
> rescue.

IMHO there would have to be, there just hasn't been anything written about
them.

> >but in times of war fall under naval command.
>
> Anecdote (off topic, BWTH) from Midlebooke's "Convoy"
>
> US Merchant seaman picked up by CG Destroyer in North Atlantic after torpedo
> attack remarked somewhat pointedly "... but you're not the navy".  CG Seaman
> offered to "throw him back until the Navy gets here".  Was restrained...

ROTFL.

- -----

        "Life is a disease of matter." --- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
        Charles Pratt tminus@u.washington.edu -- when in doubt, sail.
   "And on the eighth day, the Army Corps of Engineers changed everything."


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From: Charles Pratt <tminus@u.washington.edu>
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:37:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Disposable PCs

On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Derek Stanley wrote:

> Charles Pratt wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Leonard Erickson wrote:
> >
> > > Charles Pratt <tminus@u.washington.edu> writes:
> > >
> > > > (BTW, this is coming from a guy who has the complete first series of
> > > > StarBlazers)
> > >
> > > "We're under attack by *what*?!?"
> > >
> > > "It looks like the Yamato, sir"
> > >
> > > "But we're in outer space!"
> >
> > "Fire the Wave-motion gun!"  Which has got to be, what, a huge N-PAW
> > spinal mount?
>
> Possibly the largest PAW ever built.  But nice effect though, everytime
> they warmed that puppy up you knew there was some serious butt kicking to
> be delt with.
>
> Derek Stanley

Wait a minute...what about the Andromeda (you know the computerized one
everyone hated---watch THAT get taken over by Virus through its passive
sensor array)?  It had TWO wave-motion guns (course they would be parallel
mounted).

- -----

        "Life is a disease of matter." --- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
        Charles Pratt tminus@u.washington.edu -- when in doubt, sail.
   "And on the eighth day, the Army Corps of Engineers changed everything."


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From: Charles Pratt <tminus@u.washington.edu>
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:42:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Department of Redundancy, Dept.

On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Wes Payne wrote:

> Is it just me, or are some messages being included in the Digest twice?
> I know of at least one instance of a message being submitted (one that I
> did) only once, but showing up in at least two separate Digests.
>
> Does Majordomo need its nose tweaked?  Has someone checked to see if it's
> hooked up to one of those old, cranky SDG transponder suites?  Does
> anyone know where I left my forward observer?

Huh?  I haven't noticed any repeats ;)

Huh?  I haven't noticed any repeats :)

- -----

        "Life is a disease of matter." --- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
        Charles Pratt tminus@u.washington.edu -- when in doubt, sail.
   "And on the eighth day, the Army Corps of Engineers changed everything."


- -----

        "Life is a disease of matter." --- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
        Charles Pratt tminus@u.washington.edu -- when in doubt, sail.
   "And on the eighth day, the Army Corps of Engineers changed everything."


------------------------------

From: Charles Pratt <tminus@u.washington.edu>
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:43:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: ID4

On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Leonard Erickson wrote:

> Bri <bri@teleport.com> writes:
>
> > On Sat, 22 Jun 1996, David C.. Broussard wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry to post off subject, but I would recommend seeing ID4 (assuming of
> > > course it is out in your area).  It is a fair example of variant TL
> > > combat.
> >  No it's not. The "Alien's" goal from what I hear was total annihilation,
> > they control space.. Rocks. We woulden't stand a chance in hell.
>
> A quote from the "Special" earlier this week:
>
> "They're the new tenants, we're the cockroaches."
>
> In other words, I must assume that they want the planet intact.

No, in other words, we're dirty little creatures that will survive
anything.

- -----

        "Life is a disease of matter." --- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
        Charles Pratt tminus@u.washington.edu -- when in doubt, sail.
   "And on the eighth day, the Army Corps of Engineers changed everything."


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From: Joe Walsh <ransom@connect.iconnect.net>
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:49:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Miscellaneous thoughts

On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Derek Stanley wrote:

> Not really...  They talk about trillion's dying as a result of the 
> Collapse but beyond that there's really no real mention of how many 
> people died of primary, starships dropping out of the sky on your head, 
> or secondary, sewage treatment plant packing it in garbage filling the 
> streets and dysentary setting in, effects.
> 
> I guess it's kind of glossed over because, it's the past, and we're 
> more interested in the future.  In fact the only place I've seen 

Is it really supposed to be only in the past?  I haven't even finished 
reading TNE /once/ let alone many times, nor have I read any of the other 
published TNE materials.  Yet, it seems to me that such things would 
still be occurring on worlds.  The characters may have to deal with some 
worlds that are in the midst of a pneumonic plague or somesuch...
Or is that truly something that is completely in the past?


> In the middle ages, while it was convenient to have the kids around to 
> till the feilds etc.  That kind of stuff was mostly a communal chore, 
> kids were there to support you in your old age.  And the faster they were 
> self suffincinet the more secure your own future was.

Really!  I had no idea.  So, for instance, getting your kid apprenticed 
to (for example) a cobbler would be seen as a good thing for the family, 
even though it would take a pair of hands from the field?  I guess things 
don't change too much after all.


- -Joe
______________________________________________________________________________
Joseph E. Walsh      |  Atari 8-Bit User and Programmer Since 1982
ransom@iconnect.net  |  Classic Traveller Referee Since 1983
Stuck in the '80s    |  Microsoft-Free and Loving It! :)



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From: "Scott L. Kalkwarf" <toraka@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 21:15:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Uncle Jesse(apology and re direction)

This is an official apologie to Mr. Lindsay 

This was my response that should of been aimed at "Douglas E. Berry" 
<dberry@hooked.net>
 
> > At 08:01 PM 7/2/96 -0400, James Lindsay wrote:
> >
> > >Ok seriously, Senator Helms was one of the guys behind the CDA that
> > >has everybody so angry down here.  He's well liked by certain groups,
> > >like book-burners...and for some strange reason the voters of North
> > >Carolina.
> >
> > Actually, Sen. Bob ("I've never used a computer") Exon, Democrat from
> > Nebraska, was the brains (?) behind the CDA.  Jesse is another sort
> > entirely.....
> >
> > Jesse Helms would strip the basic protection of law from homosexuals.  He
> > believes that the United States is a Christian nation, and that no other
> > religion has any place here.  He advocated a nuclear first strike against
> > the Soviet Union.  He comes from a tobacco state, and has been the leader in
> > keeping this cancer causing killer on store shelves.
> >
> > When I first found out I had cancer, I put together a list of the people I'd
> > like to take with me.  Jesse Helms was second on the list, right behind Rep.
> > Bob Dornan, who is like Helms, only *worse*.
> >
> 
> What the heck is this doing on the Traveller Mail?
> 
> Mr. Lindsay, why are you so upset at the tobacco Industry to begin with. You smoked on
> your own account, neither Mr. Helms(who I dont care much for either), Mr. Exon( whome I
> also think is a butthead), or Mr. Dornan Held you down and forced you to smoke. Tobacco
> May Cause Cancer. I say May because if it did cause cancer then everyone who somkes it
> should then be inflicted with cancer. But that is not so other wise there would be a
> catastofic proportion of lung cancer in todays society.
> 
> Sir I just think you are tryin to put the blame on others for your own problems( done to
> often as a whole in todays society in my opinion). I am sorry that you have cancer sir,
> but I do not know how long you have been smoking. But there were warning labels on the
> sides of the cigaret packages and yet you still smoked them or continued to smoke them
> if you started before the warning.
> 
> Also If I were you I would retract your coments about Taking certain someones with you
> when you found out you had caner. As those are Viable threats and may be taken as such,
> wether or not you met them as such. Also as I stated before it is not there fault  that
> you have cancer.
> 
> I apollogise to the rest of the Thread subscribers for this but since a statement such
> as this was posted it deamed a responce.
> 
>                 Scott Kalkwarf
>             Stuck in Nebraska with Sen. Bob "Ive never used a computer" Exon.
> 

Please Mr. Linday I am trully sorry.


Mr. Berry this prievious artical was for you, and not Mr.Lindsay.

It was never my intention to start a flame. Just to inform some one.

              Scott Kalkwarf

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From: jamesd@spirit.com.au (James Dempsey)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 15:25:31 
Subject: Java Hull Calculator for SSDS

Hello,

  My latest creation - a hull calculator for SSDS - is now ready. It is
written in Java, and as of this afternoon it is available from my web page.
The address of the page is http://www.spirit.com.au/~jamesd/ffs/ffs-light.html.

  I would greatly appreciate any pra.. umm, comments anybody has about it. :-)

BFN,
James Dempsey
- ---------------------------------------------
 email: jamesd@spirit.com.au
 homepage: http://www.spirit.com.au/~jamesd



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From: jamesd@spirit.com.au (James Dempsey)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 16:32:15 
Subject: FAQ Additions

  It is good to see that the two great flame wars have once again died down to
the general 3 degrees background radiation level. We should get a description 
together of the major conclusions and points of contention for each 'discussion'
to add to the FAQ. (I feel a bit like a butterfly collector here - hmm, what a 
lovely specimen of that rare and...)

  Originally, I was going to go through the entire debate and pick up the major
points from them, but as I haven't followed them, and I have 2Mb worth of the 
discussions sitting here in my traveller inbox, I don't think I can do it.

  Could each of the participants in the debates on Virus and Rocks please email 
me a description of their position including their conclusions/agreements and 
the outstanding points of contention. I will assemble them into a summary and 
send that back to those who contributed, for approval.

  Please note - send these descriptions to me, not the list.

Thanks,
James Dempsey
- ---------------------------------------------
 email: jamesd@spirit.com.au
 homepage: http://www.spirit.com.au/~jamesd



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From: anders.backman@macademic.se (Anders Backman)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:08:56 +0200
Subject: Re: Deckplans

>DXF is a new one for me. Never heard of it.

DXF is a simple fileformat for interchange of 3D models but it can also be
used for 2D. Don't use DXF though as its only virtue is that most 3D apps
can read it. When interchanging deckplans and everything elso that isn't
primarily intended to be edited use Acrobat pdf format. It is viewable,
printable, marginally editable (version 3.0) and best of all the viewer is
free and available on all platforms.

/Backman



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